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art rant - revised: [Feb. 16th, 2003|12:00 pm]
Jasmine Becket-Griffith
[music |"Living on a Thin Line" the Kinks]

I just edited this post - I was in a foul mood and ranted considerably about artists who copy other artists' work either because they cannot create their own style or simply do not understand the notion ov copyright. The gist of it was "I do NOT think that imitation is a form of flattery, so don't copy other artists' work or styles (especially mine). Grrr."

Sorry to those who didn't get to read it, I just don't like keeping too many negative thoughts floating around.

I just worked out some of my negative frustrations by getting rid of stuff I'm not taking with me to Florida. I think I threw away 7 bags of junk.
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From: (Anonymous)
2003-02-16 10:53 am (UTC)

i know what you mean

i know what u mean. i used to buy pop art on ebay a lot, and there used to be some really good and unique artists selling their work. now its' like every one with a paint brush said 'hey- i can do that' and tries to do the same, but their not near as good. everyone want's to call themselves there are somany artists who do that copy thing whenever an artists style gets popular. i always look at some of the artists who sell the faries too on ebay - there were a few i think i know what u mean.
-jess (i'm getting a live journal soon i'll tell you asap!)
btw did u see this one yet? it totally looks like your faries faces-
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3501495321&category=20158
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[User Picture]From: smallgirl
2003-02-16 11:15 am (UTC)
you have every right to be upset. i have been doing artwork my whole life but i still dont quite have my own style yet. i think im pretty much doing what you said at the end of your rant. looking at different styles and techniques and experimenting with different mediums. im really enjoying watercolors right now because i think its helping me to learn controlling where my paint is going and how to draw with paint rather than line drawing. i kind of think if you want people to see how truly crappy your art is go and copy an already established artist. also i dont think you could ever really be happy doing someone elses artwork because its not really comming from inside yourself and isnt that what artwork is really all about, self expression.
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[User Picture]From: jasminetoad
2003-02-16 11:24 am (UTC)
My thoughts exactly =) Somebody who was a *real* artist is genuinely looking for self expression

One girl I went to college with constantly painted nothing but Picasso rip-offs. One day we were suppposed to explain why we created artwork, what it meant to us, etc. and she didn't really have anything to say. I've known people who were exceptionally good at drawing from photographs or other arwork, but they could never create anything original. I don't think that I could classify them as "artists" either since they really couldn't do anything but re-render 2d images.

Of course when I first started drawing as a kid and even when I was a teenager still I would do copies of other artwork I liked. In college, one of my professors assigned us to do a "Masterpiece Copy" every week (where we would copy a master artist's work, like Rembrandt or da Vinci). It's a great way to learn! I can still see influences of other artists' work in my own, but I've been doing my own thing long enough that they are no more than vague influences.

I still have a copy of Edvard Munch's painting "Puberty" that I painted a long time ago - it's pretty good =)
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From: jasminefairy
2003-02-16 02:16 pm (UTC)
slighty off topic but it made me think of it. it seems whenever i get REALLY interested in something.. all of a sudden it's popular. i used to have a mad obsession with frogs, then all of a sudden, it was a popular thing. fairies too.. another mad obsession. i see them EVEYWHERE now. i sued to like having to search for frog and fairy things.
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[User Picture]From: jasminetoad
2003-02-16 02:32 pm (UTC)
Hehe - I know exactly what you mean! I've always loved froggies, and it used to be that most girls typically were like, "Ew - frogs are gross", but now they're on everything, lol. It used to be people looked at you sideways if you liked anime, but now you can't go to Blockbuster or Suncoast without stumbling over it. Fantasy books and fantasy art are resurging too now (perhaps because of the popularity of movies like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, etc.) where it used to be you were considered a nerd to be into that sort of thing.

It seems that everything I like eventually gets popular. Well, not everything, but a lot of things. Matt and I have been planning (for quite a long while) to decorate our new bedroom with a sort of antique maps/palm trees/monkeys/india sort of theme. We were so excited at first to see some new bedding this season that matched our idea, and then we started freaking out when we saw it at Linens N Things, Bed Bath and Beyond, Kirkland's, etc. Now it's everywhere - Target, Kmart, Walmart, and so forth. It seems to be the default in room decor, lol. I can't complain though - at least I won't have any trouble coordinating my room =)
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From: jasminefairy
2003-02-16 02:36 pm (UTC)

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i like to be an individual. i hate seeing the same shit EVERYWHERE i go. amphibious creatures, fantasy stuff, anime, anything asian, all things i like, but now they're all popular.
i want another pet frog now. =)
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From: goodwitchzinna
2003-02-16 06:51 pm (UTC)
Hi Jasmine! I have to add my two cents, too - I was reading tigerpixieart's posts and founds yours - I've been selling art on ebay for about three years, too, and have had at least a couple people obviously 'borrow' things of mine. I never know what to do, so I just ignore it. Luckily, most of my stuff is dorky or weird enough that I don't think anyone would bother trying to copy it, but since fairies are all the rage suddenly, I have totally seen at least three or four people who are obviously copying your style. Sheesh, people are weird! I even had one girl write me, telling me how much she liked my art, then she went and posted some stuff on ebay that looked strangely familiar....anyway, sorry for butting in out of the blue. Following threads, doo dah....
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[User Picture]From: jasminetoad
2003-02-16 07:37 pm (UTC)
Hi Lemurgurl! I've seen your work a lot on eBay (good stuff - I love your octopus!), I think I've even talked with you online about art stuff. I'm assuming most of the copy-cats out there will eventually stop when they get bored, or the next new thing comes along, or when they stop getting bids once everyone notices that they're just rehashing others' work. In the meantime, I try to ignore it the best I can. Once it starts turning into copyright infringement, I generally step in since I have some contractual licensing agreements and it doesn't feel right that some folks are stealing my artwork for free while I charge other folks to distribute/publish the exact same or remarkably similar imagery. I wish everyone would just be honest, dammit!

Did you just recently get a LiveJournal? Hehe - I like clicking on friends-of-friends-of-friends' journals and getting seriously sidetracked, lol.
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From: goodwitchzinna
2003-02-17 09:02 am (UTC)
Yep, I just started my journal - I thought it would be a good way for me to waste more time online...I mean, a good way for me to post stuff I'm working on! Hee hee! I totally agree that the copycats should be called on what they're doing, especially since you have published material. I just can't fathom how people can so obviously copy your paintings and feel okay with themselves about it! That's just so bizarre to me. I guess it all boils down to the almighty dollar - people see your paintings are doing well on ebay, so they figure they can make a quick buck copying. The thing that makes me crazy is that people bid on the copycat paintings!
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[User Picture]From: jasminetoad
2003-02-18 10:35 pm (UTC)
Ugh, don't get me started on "outsider" art. Not to mention - some of these "outsiders" have been selling art on eBay longer than I have. Shouldn't they be "insiders" by now?

The low minimum bid thing is hard to pull off. I've been doing it long enough that I've got regular bidders and such to keep up the bids. It's depressing to look at relatively new artists who see the more established artists do the "penny auction" strategy and then their auctions actually end at a penny =(

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From: goodwitchzinna
2003-02-24 01:38 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the penny thing is tricky - when I first started selling paintings on ebay (I think about 3 years ago) I did that with everything I auctioned and it worked okay, but lately I'll only do it with paintings that I'm reasonably sure there may be a market for. Weird stuff I'll start at 20.00 or so. It's a crapshoot - ebay is absolutely the most unpredictable thing. By the way, Jasmine, do you mind if I add you to my friends list?
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[User Picture]From: jasminetoad
2003-02-24 04:47 pm (UTC)
Feel free to add me to your list =)

I'll add you to mine!
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