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Hmmmm..... [Jan. 30th, 2004|10:40 am]
Jasmine Becket-Griffith
Well, it looks like the copycat painting has been removed, well at least replaced with another, unrelated painting!

I really don't think that girl knows what she has done, she emailed me this:



"Hi

Have you ever seen how many copies of Van Gogh's, Dali's, Pollocks, etc are on Ebay by the way...?
That is not copyright infrigement, even if their families hold rights to their originals. I took the painting down , but I still think you should reconsider because if someone can copy a van gogh and sell it, then someone can copy one of your paintings too. It's not illegal. If it was, then ebay would have 3396 less paintings at the moment"

LOL! I don't know whether to laugh or cry - do most people really not know this much about copyright law? Expired copyrights? Public domain? Living artists? The depth of ignorance regarding the subject out there is darned scary sometimes.

It looks like she has a suggestion for the rest of you too: http://www.livejournal.com/users/jasminetoad/238335.html?thread=1721087#t1721087

Um, I'm just going to leave this one alone......
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[User Picture]From: wickedgillie
2004-01-30 07:51 am (UTC)
good god! first, congrats on your original, which i somehow missed. gorgeous! and let me say i am sure that this girl plagerized all of her papers from the internet and encyclopedia britanica, because, duh, that's what they're there for. /end fiery sarcasm

what a stupid bint.
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[User Picture]From: heatherica
2004-01-30 07:54 am (UTC)
Geez! I'm glad she took it down, but she seems to really not know what is going on here!! Maybe someone should direct her to a site with copyright info on it.
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[User Picture]From: jasminetoad
2004-01-30 07:55 am (UTC)

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I emailed her a bunch of copyright links, I really hope she reads them.
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[User Picture]From: petienka
2004-01-30 07:58 am (UTC)
Oof, deja vu. I believe I recall another posting of hers somewhere here on lj, something to the effect that artists, photographers, etc should feel 'honored' if their work is copied. Ay Carumba...!
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[User Picture]From: jasminetoad
2004-01-30 08:03 am (UTC)

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I really think that copyright law (at least the basics) should be taught in art class or something!!!! That would inform a lot of people before they make big mistakes!
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[User Picture]From: winjimir
2004-01-30 08:01 am (UTC)
I'm dumbfounded by her dumbness, truly I am.
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[User Picture]From: erikasfriends
2004-01-30 10:17 am (UTC)

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Me too and refusal to just publicly apologize properly!
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From: faerieshine
2004-01-30 08:08 am (UTC)
oh dear............. she is pretty oblivious to the law i think. HUGE difference between a dead artistwho lived YEARS ago and copying a painting that is being sold AT THE SAME TIME by a VERY much alive artist. You might want to have your lawyer draw up a letter, just so she knows it is in fact illegal. And I am unimpressed with the way she handled all of this.
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From: delphineart
2004-01-30 08:09 am (UTC)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh dear .....................................
of COURSE we can reproduce old artist arts ......................... every artists should know that lol ......... Public domain .... expired copyrights, Van Gogh can't really take his computer and emailing copycats LOLLL ^_- ... but damn, to a YOUNG living artist ... and who sell in the VERY same place LOLLLLLLLLLLL that is what I really don't understand LOL ... I mean, even fanart shouldn't be tolerate on ebay ... I remember lots of peoples did some disney fanart and their account were suspended for a month or something like this lol ... so now, don't tell isn't illegal to copy a Jasmine painting LOL ..

Oh dear well, I think she got the point, but be careful if you wash your teeth today LOLLLLLLLLLL, make sure to use a brand new sealed water bottle ^_-
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From: victoriagriffin
2004-01-30 08:10 am (UTC)
ahhh...so, instead of apologizing to you and admitting she made a mistake, she decides to inform you that "it's not illegal" for her to copy you and tries to make *you* feel like you're the one who's wrong??? how sweet!! i sincerely hope the next artist that she decides to "flatter" by copying sues the shit out of her. :)
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[User Picture]From: wickedgillie
2004-01-30 08:16 am (UTC)

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or at least beats the shit of her. knock some sense into her brain.

and i hate to say it, but even if they taught copyright in school, how many of these people who copy would get it? we weren't taught copyright in school and we know better. honestly, i don't think teaching it in school would make one whit of difference to some of these folks.

sigh.
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[User Picture]From: mercury_realm
2004-01-30 08:20 am (UTC)
Its an odd dichtomy , I think on the one hand its a huge compliment that you are plagiarised so often, and then on the other hand, an insult when its done so badly. If she'd been smart about it,and done something original in the 'style of' as a hommage to your work, perhaps she'd have been a little less vilified, but as it is, whilst she was attempting to profiteer from a direct copy, she doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Its a sad truth, but wherever there is success, there will always be those trying to jump on the bandwagon, and steal the formula, but at the end of the day its like those bad rolex watches you can buy on street corners.
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[User Picture]From: rhodes_studio
2004-01-30 08:26 am (UTC)
jeeeeeeeeez! that's just one of those things that makes you want to bash your head into a wall!! i mean......ya know the light will never come on for her evidently.
i dont know how you deal with it Jasmine. i would be totally nutso by now!
-taba
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From: winterswitchery
2004-01-30 08:38 am (UTC)
Well..last I was aware, unlike Van Gogh, you are not dead. I'm not sure those guys would be exactly ecstatic about copying if they were alive today LOL

Augh, whatta blissfully ignorant moron.
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[User Picture]From: josephine76
2004-01-31 02:40 am (UTC)

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Van Gogh wasn't very popular in his time among the masses. He died as a poor man. He would be very much surprised how much we love him now. :) Btw, he could have bumped into my father's great-grandfather. Van Gogh lived nearby my ancestors for a some time.
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[User Picture]From: kittymilkshake
2004-01-30 08:42 am (UTC)
Ugh! That stupid bitch. >.<
I know exactly how u feel.
People like this make me puke, it's like, they get pissed when u get pissed at them for stealing ur work. U know, like, "u should be flattered that someone wants to copy ur stuff, blah, blah..."
i mean, u don't have to have some looser steal ur art to know it's good. Grrr!! Dumbasses!! >.o
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From: goodwitchzinna
2004-01-30 08:48 am (UTC)
Holy cows, she needs a smack! What, does she think she can go and paint a copy of an Amy Brown painting and sell it as her own? Does she understand that Van Gogh is DEAD? ARGH!!!!!!
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[User Picture]From: rubidia
2004-01-30 08:53 am (UTC)
I cannot belive how she is taking this!!!!
Sorry Jasmine you have to put up with things like this!
Maybe I should put my deleted comment back on!!
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[User Picture]From: jasminetoad
2004-01-30 09:30 am (UTC)

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Thank you Rubi, you are a sweet girl and a good friend =)

Hehe, I don't know - you might want to leave that one deleted. ;)
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[User Picture]From: elfies
2004-01-30 09:01 am (UTC)
Oh my goodnes.... why such a language!....I know saying sorry can be difficult and attack is a best way of reaction, but for gods sake aren't we are grown up people here? I hope so anyway......

I think copying somebody its like trying to live somebody else's life......Sad

(((((((((HUG)))))))
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[User Picture]From: chunkygoat
2004-01-30 09:26 am (UTC)

copying art for profit leads to the death of an artist

I think someone needs to brush up on their copyright law -


10 Big Myths about copyright explained -
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

And, if you don't believe that, check out the real thing - and remember - INTERNATIONAL copyright law crosses ALL borders. That's why someone who copies a cd made in Germany and sells it can get busted in the US.
http://www.copyright.gov/


When someone refers to "Fanart" - I automatically think of the Manga artists (manga-ka) in Japan who's works are copied - and even sold in manga form! A lot of those artists don't care about the blatent stealing of their property right from under their noses, and some even consider it flattery. A lot of the copycat artists who do that end up being manga-ka a few years down the road, too.

HOWEVER. They all have the legal precedents to sue every single person that has copied their works. And some actually do.

Does this give someone the right to call something "Fanart" and sell it? Much less, to sell it in the SAME venue at the SAME time (i.e. - DIRECTLY competing with the original)? Absolutely not. And most "fanartists" in Japan don't get anywhere NEAR that. Their works are sold weeks and even months AFTER.

Yes, there are some artists out there who's works are in the public domain. Most of them are already dead. For someone to copy something like Jasmine's painting and sell it at the same time - well that's just taking food right off your plate! Now, how is that a way to treat someone you idealize???

Would you have your best friend do all the work of making a great meal, fixing up an old car, or creating a wonderful artwork, then you STEAL it out of their house and sell it for profit? Of course not. So why would you let someone else do all the work - proportions, colors, design, details, etc. - so that all you needed to do was paint-by-number? Sure, it's a great learning experience, and I've done that exact same thing MANY times to paintings by people I respect - it's called practice, and that, thank god, does not yet have a legal precedent to call it illegal. But to go that extra step and SELL or even attempt to sell that paint-by-number, and you've just violated your own moral fibre and international copyright law.

In order for Jasmine to keep creating the wonderful paintings she does, there needs to be some sort of justification for it. If she makes enough money off it to support herself (not survival mode), that is a great justification. If everyone starts making copies of her works, selling them under her nose, and taking away all of her profits, she's not going to have that justification much longer. You think it sounds far-fetched? It's possible.

My Illustration professor told us - "If you can make more money at McDonald's than your artwork, you might as well be flipping burgers." And it's true. Why should any artist pour their heart, soul, time, energy and money into something that gives nothing in return? They will end up an empty, starving shell. True, some artists do this. But they don't do it for very long. And at that point they either start making a reasonable amount from their talent, or they go flip burgers.

So listen - copying Jasmine's art is great - it's the highest form of flattery. But turning around and backstabbing her with the gift she has given you will lead down one path only - she will stop creating art and you won't have anything left to copy. It's an extreme way of putting it, but hey - you've already taken away a good chunk of her time for creating art to force her into defending her rights - so don't tell me that's too extreme of a situation.
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[User Picture]From: kaokame
2004-01-30 09:52 am (UTC)

Re: copying art for profit leads to the death of an artist

Well met.
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